Did you think, OK, how do I do this?

Well, no, you know, I'm very lazy and I've never applied myself to anything in my life.

I just kind of wander into things and then wander out of them.

And I remember it sort of at university.

There was a friend of mine who was Paul Spencer who became head of comedy at ITV.

He was putting a review together and at about the same time we were involved in the student radio at University Radio Nottingham.

I think Paul was doing a comedy show with another friend of his called Rob Metcalfe.

So, well, I

Yeah.

100% agree.

I think, yeah, building relationships, obviously, we know as teachers, we know if you build a relationship with students, it's, you know, if you get to know them, it's, you know, in terms of behaviour management in the classroom, if you've got a relationship with them, it's, you know, it's so much easier to be able to, you know, when those kids do sort of escalate, to bring them back.

I think, yeah, keeping it simple, same time each week, same place.

If you think about Um, endorphins, you know, physical activity, social connection, that's how they're released, you know, and that's like you were saying, Georgie, like it's that connection part of it.

Um, I think unpacking what resilience means as well.

I think that's key.

Mark's got the answers.

How boring do you find all that?

Oh, yeah.

I've, I've listened to the BBC podcast on a weekly basis.

Sometimes I've heard Ugo Monye and Danny Care and Chris Ashton spending an hour talking about two refereeing decisions, and they don't even talk about the rugby.

But you ki- you kinda have to.

I mean, the TMO's gotta do his job, so if he sees Nathan Doak making a high tackle, that's totally objective, and he's gotta look at it and study it and bring the referee's attention to it, which is fine, and it was, again, under the laws, which are again quite rigid now.

If he's made that, you know, the seatbelt movement round the neck, it's gonna be chalked off, and penalty try, foul play.

What's the best way to get into it? What makes a good commentator?