to get into some of this pain? Like one of the questions I would have for you is what age do you see horses presenting to you with back pain on an average?

You know, it depends on the discipline a lot.

In this practice where I'm now in the Pacific Northwest, I see a much more diverse group of athletes and they tend to be top end athletes.

although not exclusively, but from quarter horses to jumpers to event horses to, you know, whatever, anything and everything in between.

And so it depends on the discipline.

But, you know, I wouldn't, I think the older they are, the more common back routine, back soreness, like maybe I get, maybe you get, Kent, I don't know, But, you know, the young horse that has severe back pain is concerning to me because that's more likely to be an injury than to be just kind of an arthritis, achy kind of thing.

But, you know, I know somewhere in here we're going to talk about unwinding all of this stuff.

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