What are some of the patterns and trends that you're noticing coming out of Catholic Poland in terms of a marital and familial paradigm?

A handful of things.

I think there's just kind of a split between...

the couples that what I called gutting out, they sort of hang in there with it.

They adjust to it in their marriage.

But I think there's that group.

And then there's a group who essentially have made their peace with some forms of contraception.

I invite your thoughts here as to what you discovered.

uh yeah that's a that's a great question

um Not just that they were on the same page.

I was really kind of astounded that...

And they couldn't really tell this themselves.

They were just giving me their own accounts.

But then when I pooled them together and look at both the numbers and the narratives, the turn towards contraception, towards certain forms of contraception, really happens...

Usually not at the start of the marriage or even the first few years.

Any comments on that aspect of it?

D- what's your PowerPoint slide at the end with the takeaways? [laughs]

Thought about that, yeah, Rusty.

But, uh, um, one of the things about this piece is I think they would find it interesting.

They hear things from couples, they hear in, things in confession, um, but they don't probably do counseling around this aspect of marriages very often.

So I have a feeling that what the piece contains and what subsequent pieces I write contain will be illuminating to them and like, "Okay, I wondered about this.

I wonder how people navigated that." Uh, so I think it'd, it'd be helpful to them, uh, enlightening and, and then they're, they're always...

I, they, I, I get the impression that many priests, you know, in some ways would like to say two different things to people, but they'd rather...

Was that fair?