What was your first mediumistic or, you know, what I call the what the fuck experiences that you started to see?

Yeah, I mean, you know, so, you know, just in everyday life, you married, have kids, you know, my...

I guess my wife had more, more of an interest, but my dad at, at some point was a very, very, you know, black and white person, v- you know, very similar to what, how Kirsten is describing herself.

And at, at some point, you know, he becameMore expanding his horizons as he, you know, got older, and he became interested in, uh, Eastern philosophies and transcendental meditation.

But, but it was more or less it was just him personally.

He wasn't, you know, say, bringing it to the family.

But we, we lived in the same house.

Mm-hmm