you know, but that kind of

exposure to different types of, you know, ways of thinking, different people, you know, you know, at that age, when I was, like, even first coming out of school, it was very formative.

You start to see, you know, what types of people you can really work with closely and get things done and have the same kind of mindset.

So, I mean, you know, Marco's very modest, but he's a pretty remarkable person as far as, and his, as far as, as far as I'm telling you, as far as, you know, the, you know, as an engineer, for sure, um, person who can, who can make things and, and understands how, how things work.

Um, but you know, the breadth of, of knowledge across a lot of different disciplines, it's very unique.

Um, the real appreciation for, and you know, being a designer yourself, like, you can say you're not what you are.

So, like, you know, being a designer and an engineer and, you know, having that, you know, open appreciation for and respect for what designers do and, you know, also, like, the poor foundational balance went away a lot of things for me.

I mean, you know, the