So possibly we're moving in, in time in different ways, I suppose, in this conversation, but I'd like to offer you the opportunity really to sort of sh- share, share a little bit about your past and h- how you think that helped you connect to systemic ideas, as well as sort of understanding all about, you know, how politics shape and affect us in our services.

Yeah.

No, uh, uh, absolutely.

Well, I mean, I think, I think...

And I think, I think it's a very fair question because I think people, uh, people...

I think it's hel- really helpful for people to understand actually where we, where we do come from and what makes us in that respect.

And I, and, and, and my history is really quite complicated in that, I mean, on the face of it, I'm a, a white middle-class man who comes from a really, in, in one way in particular, materially, financially, very privileged family history.

Mm.

So going into the '90s, then, did you, did you play a lot of football? Was you involved much with the club at that time?

No, I, I played...

I've always loved football.

I've always played.

I played Saturdays and Sundays.

I used to play, like, for Barking Side or I played for Barking Side East Ham, Barking, Cray Wanderers in Kent, like, sort of semi-pro.

I played Sundays for a team.

Who better to ask?