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Mark Penn

Mark Penn

CEO of Stagwell

Sep 4, 2026

62:02
Just start by telling everybody about the poll, how big it is, how you poll, and then we'll dive right in.
62:08
Sure.
62:08
Look, this is the monthly poll we've done for actually going on eight years now.
62:13
It's the Harvard-Harris-Capps poll.
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And it's a pretty thorough poll on the issues that confront the country.
62:20
And I'm going to kind of go through it.
62:23
I'm not going to go through all the questions because that would take probably another 20 minutes, but give you an overview of what public opinion is.

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Next.
63:50
If you can get your camera on, we'll get underway.
63:55
I keep saying start my video.
64:00
Here we go.
64:14
uh it is not letting me start the video
64:18
okay mark can you see the screen we can go ahead and start with the off camera we'll put up the slides
64:25
uh uh yeah if you see if i see the screen if you put up the slide
7:58
We're just gonna lie like Abigail Spanberger lied in Virginia and, and come up with her real agenda once she's elected." Um, I just don't know what date they'll take it down, 'cause I think this is creating an enormous headache for the Democratic Party in a m- in an election year, historically, where the party out of power, you know, should gain significant amount of seats in the House and pick up a lot of seats in the Senate.
8:23
Well, I would be surprised if they take it down.
8:25
I think quite the, quite the opposite.
8:28
I think they become emboldened.
8:30
Uh, they have more members.
8:31
Social media has, has enabled...
8:34
You know, there are a couple of, uh, big issues here.
10:44
Are you, are you, are you saying, like, people like me, that I'm a loser 'cause I don't have much to do [laughs] on my Labor Day week? I take a few days off.
36:51
Wouldn't that be the better way to go?
36:52
Well, of course, that would be the better way to go.
36:55
That's not, that's not [laughs] exactly what we're seeing.
36:58
The 2028, the, you know, the 2028 presidential primary is going to be the make or break primary for the party.
37:09
Is the left really...
37:10
Remember, Bernie Sanders probably would've been the nominee if Biden wasn't put up as sort of a Trojan horse nominee.
37:19
So is AOC or somebody like her going to be the nominee out of this party, and it's...
38:13
What are you hearing from them? Are you hearing concern? Are you hearing that we need to mobilize and fight this?
62:55
... uh, away we go.
62:57
Great.
62:57
And, and I think actually, what you really wanna focus on is, you know that it's a 50/50 country, more or less, and so you wanna focus on why is that, and what do the questions tease out about what is the debate going on in people's minds? Because remember that the swing voters whom you think of will actually think a lot of things that are contradictory in nature, and how they resolve that contradiction is how they come to vote.
63:24
And so with that in mind, and I've, I've done a few interesting questions here too this month on socialism, which I find, I find somewhat amusing actually.
63:34
But most importantly, if you dive into the poll, the first q- there's, it's actually the second question, which is, uh, but probably the single most important question is, "Do you think the economy is on the right track or the wrong track?" And as you can see, people think it's on the wrong track.
63:51
Now, a lot of people th- you know, was it on the wrong track before, um, Iran, after Iran? Yeah, it was on the wrong track here through the entire administration.
64:02
And the last time it was on the right track was, like, for a couple of days in the Biden administration [chuckles] and most of the first Trump administration, until the pandemic hit.

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If M- if Mother Teresa married Donald Trump, and she was Mother Teresa Trump, she, her approval rating couldn't break 60.
7:38
Yeah, I mean, I, it's, I'm, it's pretty unfathomable
7:41
... right? I mean, it should have been enough.
7:43
Look, we all know what was going on here.
7:47
Somehow they got this idea that you take completely unqualified people who have never done anything in their lives, espouse socialist propaganda, and somehow those are going to be the candidates that defeat someone who...
8:00
By the way, you know, Senator Collins, of all the different senators to try to attack, you know, in this fashion, has always shown that she represents Maine, has always been willing to look at both sides, vote against her own party.
8:14
She's a model of kind of what, uh, what you would think a senator from, from a state like Maine would be.
8:21
And then to, uh, to try to f- try to prop up a candidate who was obviously unqualified.

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13:49
If he does win, how does he do in a general election against, you know, somebody very conventional like Mike Rogers?
8:38
They
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cannot have it as a big tent.
8:40
There is not support across America for abolishing prisons, open borders.
8:47
Now the DSA has just supported basically getting rid of the Constitution and replacing it with just the House of Representatives that would pick the president.
8:57
Right.
8:58
And so there isn't a lot of support for that.
9:00
But the Democratic Party has been welcoming them in and they've been growing in support little by little.
12:07
It's not actually an American problem, wouldn't you say?
42:40
Is that a legitimate worry?
42:43
Probably.
42:44
Look, uh, you know, to go back to, and I wrote an article on Fox News that said, "Look, Federalist 62 set up the Senate- Senator is supposed to be above politics somewhat, really, really well-educated about the issues, really able to kinda work together with other colleagues in the Senate, right? There's nothing about this process that says that we're trying to, that they're trying to nominate a senator in that mode, and Susan Collins, frankly, is a, is, is someone in that mode, right, who's judicious.
43:20
She doesn't always agree with her party.
43:22
She stands up when she thinks she, she needs to.
43:24
She's been in the Senate a long time.
43:26
She knows the issues.

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But being that they had the gerrymandering, you got the war, a slow, uh, a s- a low impact war perhaps, or a l- a slow-burning war, and you have this DSA working its way inside the DNC, how do you, what do you think we're gonna be looking at in November?
41:01
I don't care what political party either.
41:05
Yeah, look, I have a tent at all if you're going to let anybody in.
41:10
The whole idea is for you to have a set of principles and for you to attract people to those principles.
41:17
And that's what creates a party, not, hey, let's take anybody no matter how crazy because we might get an extra vote out of them because that's not a party.
41:28
And at some point, common sense voters should realize that they can't be part of a party that is going to include, I mean, Nazi tattoos, you know.
41:39
Well, look, from the get-go, how about having candidates that are actually qualified for a job that they might do? I mean, isn't that something that you really have to start with? And isn't that an important principle that you should have as a party? I mean, it's, well, as you could say, I could go on and we'll go on a little bit more.
41:57
No, I want you to.
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them.
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to
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get back to persuading it.
3:44
Look, chip companies, okay, they're a bit deranged now.
3:48
You can go back.
3:49
They had five years in the doldrums, right? I could look at Microsoft.
3:54
I was at Microsoft.
3:55
How many years was the stock 25? Yeah.

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80% US.
70:14
But what is it about the Democratic Party, or maybe just people, and as a pollster you understand human dynamics, that they just love to watch politicians flame and burn each other?
70:31
I don't know that that's endemic to the Democrats.
70:33
I mean, I think there's a lot of interest in politics and what happened.
70:37
And, you know, it doesn't surprise me.
70:40
There are also so many strong Democrats and so many strong Republicans.
70:44
Somebody from Fox News puts out a book that goes to number one.
70:47
Joe Biden puts out a book and Kamala Harris goes to number one.
72:29
In the end, do they make a difference in the public's mind?
10:34
get the...
10:35
You know, American public opinion is not obvious.
10:40
It is subtle.
10:41
There's a lot of things going on in people's minds.
10:44
And what you really get out of the poll is, look, they're not happy with the economy.
10:48
They think it should be better.
10:49
They think it's shrinking.

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19:01
But this may be a heck of an unknown in the midterm elections, Mark Penn.
36:37
So which, you know, are they raising money, not raising money, and do they have a direction?
36:45
Well, look, no, they don't have a direction, and they're not going to have a direction, really.
36:50
And I was certainly disappointed by their attempt to shut the government down in the House.
36:55
That made no sense to me.
36:58
They're not going to have a direction until this primary fight, and hopefully there will be a primary fight.
37:05
Hopefully that it will not be the party of AOC.
37:10
Maybe it will be the party of Senator Fetterman.
38:24
Do you see any close-to-center candidates out there that are willing to stand up and be counted?
1:26
what i'm worried about is uh is the democratic party aoc and mondami which is socialist is the democratic party uh uh i mean which way uh if you gave people if you stop a hundred people on the street and ask them who is the head of democratic national committee i don't think one of them will let well no maybe one or two So which, you know, are they raising money, not raising money, and do they have a direction?
2:00
Well, look, no, they don't have a direction, and they're not going to have a direction, really.
2:06
And I was certainly disappointed by their attempt to shut the government down in the House.
2:11
That made no sense to me.
2:14
They're not going to have a direction until this primary fight, and hopefully there will be a primary fight.
2:21
Hopefully that it will not be the party of AOC.
2:25
Maybe it will be the party of Senator Fetterman.
3:39
Do you see any close to center candidates out there that are willing to stand up and be counted?

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