Sometimes it's a very different alignment, isn't

it? Well, then it's good to know a little bit about my background.

So I'm originally from Cork City in Ireland.

I grew up, actually, there's two things that are constants in my life.

That is music and sport.

So another that comes really probably through my father, who was a musician as well and encouraged an artist and encouraged a great love of sport for me as well.

All sports actually.

As you're talking about that example, they were kind of leaning into some of the, I guess, concepts that kind of align itself to the ecological dynamical approach and you know the task constraint might be there and the environmental constraint might be there because of those things there so maybe just talk to us a little bit about that you know how did you become I guess I'll use the word that you used earlier infatuated maybe with that approach and what kind of led you down maybe exploring that further