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Mark Nepo

Mark Nepo

Poet

Aug 21, 2026

11:24
That's what they're all telling me now, which is proof positive that I'm old.
11:31
Well, for me at this point, what does it mean to live well? And I agree.
11:37
It's an ongoing, shifting, evolving lens and question.
11:44
And, you know, it all goes back to me so much, all goes back to I have learned through all that I've been through and through my cancer journeys and my other difficult journeys that the heart is our strongest and most sensitive instrument and our strongest muscle and our greatest teacher.
12:07
I keep discovering I feel like the heart is the inlet between the mystery and the world.
12:17
And, you know, it's always going both ways.
12:21
You know, where do I find my heart in the world? And where do I find the world in my heart? And, and so, you know, a paradox and a mystery that is, you know, in my life, like everybody's, there's been a constellation of times when I've been shattered.

45 MINS LATER

57:35
So I'm just curious, as Parker spoke, and I offer this bit about Jacob Hom, if there's anything that's stirring in you.
1:10
These are all just fingers pointing to the moon.
1:13
Yeah, so this is attributed to Buddha, where he was talking one night after dinner under a full moon, and his students, he felt, he sensed they were too enwrapped with his words, and he stopped and said, my words are only fingers pointing to the moon.
1:29
Make sure you look at the moon.
1:32
And while this book, and what the book is, as you know, but we'll share for our listeners, is This really came out of years of teaching where I would stumble on word origins.
1:47
And I've always been interested, not just because I'm a word geek, but because I've noticed over time that the further we go back, the more whole and profound these meanings are.
2:07
Because words like...
2:12
And more often than not, that wholeness just emanates so much more.

36 MINS LATER

38:27
How do we, if people have heard this episode and they want a copy of the book, but they also just want to move into their lives and families and businesses in a more non-dualistic way, in a more connected way, how do we move into that place? What type of posture, what does it look like to have a lighter and brighter way of being in the world?
12:19
How do you become one of those who gets the benefit of the change?
12:23
Well, one thing I would offer, too, is that change has its own timeline with every person.
12:29
So it could be like a revelation for one person, and it may unfold over years for another.
12:37
So if we don't experience it the same way, I think it's still happening.
12:43
I think, to back up, I think that, and all the traditions speak about this in different ways, everyone is given the chance to be dropped into the depth of life.
12:54
Now, obviously, difficult things and life-threatening things throw us into that.
12:59
But it's not just suffering.

14 MINS LATER

26:39
And they did not come back.
2:48
Meeting the world.
2:55
I'm in the backseat of our Ford Valiant, driving down Sunrise Highway to Seaford, a small town close to the bay on Long Island, New York.
3:06
I can smell the water nearby as we pull into an unfamiliar backyard.
3:14
I'm seven years old, tall enough to peer out the window at this large wooden boat seemingly asleep on concrete blocks surrounded by weeds.
3:27
"This is it," Dad says as he gets out of the car.
3:31
He has that glint in his eye.
3:35
My brother and I throw open the doors and run to the old double-ended hull that waits in the back of the yard.

8 MINS LATER

12:00
Sensations of pleasure and sensations of being at home, of feeling at homeTaking as much time as you need, notice whatever pleasant feelings are here for you right now and let your whole mind be guided into them.
23:33
... to give the person a sense ...
23:35
So yeah, so this is one of my favorite passages.
23:38
It's June 6th, and it, it's called Two Monkeys Sleeping.
23:44
"We wandered into a corner of the Central Park Zoo, and there, despite the dozens of tourists pointing and tapping the glass, two monkeys were squinting on a perched stone.
23:56
To our surprise, they were both in deep sleep, their dark heads bowed to each other, their f- small frames limp.
24:04
What was amazing was that their delicate hands were touching, their monkey fingers leaning into each other.
24:10
It was clear that it was this small, sustained touch that allowed them to sleep.

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48:31
Hmm.

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