And what about your relationship with another sport altogether? Can you tell us about the basketball side of things and the sports admin world that you're in there?

Yeah, sure.

So I'm CEO of Geelong United Basketball and have been so for just over seven years.

It's interesting people say, how did you get there? And you've just got to reflect and work back.

I signed a two-year contract seven years ago to merge two basketball associations in Geelong and still there seven and a half years later.

It's grown significantly.

I really enjoy it.

Tell us about how Mick maybe shaped you and your philosophies.