Now, what's the central idea behind Schools for All Australia and what would you most like Australians to understand, Mark, about why the current system needs to change and what progress has Schools for All Australia made to date?

Look, that's a great question.

And there's lots in that, Henry.

I mean, if I achieve anything, I'll say another, I'll borrow another saying now.

It's because I've stood on the shoulders of giants.

And there have been people fighting for more equity in the Australian school system for decades.

And people like Barbara Preston, Chris Bonner, Jane Caro come to mind.

How do you have a constructive national conversation about equity without turning it into an us versus them argument, which, as you alluded to, is so easy to have?