So when you compare these two different worlds, the enterprise or the corporate world, and now the entrepreneurial world, What's the difference when you think about the possibility of freedom or what type of freedom you can experience for your life?

That's a great question.

I'm super fortunate and blessed that I've had the experiences of working in corporate America on Wall Street with academia, Stanford University, the Graduate School of Business there, the GSB.

We're leading local nonprofits and national nonprofits and then entrepreneurship.

I was never free in corporate America.

There was always something where I had to not second guess myself, but there was a protocol that was always present, especially in senior executive positions or in the C-suite myself.

When I was a CEO, I would have to report to a board, those board dynamics, right? In terms of being the chief executive officer, whether in the for in the nonprofit space as the CEO and or executive director in the corporate America in terms of shareholder wealth and reporting to that board, there was always somebody to report to.

I'd