Try and explain what it actually means.

Yeah.

Yeah.

When I start explaining moral injury, I think it's often best to start with that concept of post-traumatic stress that people has become a lot more mainline and understanding that you've been exposed to something that's had not necessarily a physical injury, but it's had more of a psychological, even spiritual existential wound that you carry as a result of those things.

Post-traumatic stress arose in the 1980s after a long chain of different ways in which the same phenomenon was described, whether it was battle fatigue or shell shock or soldier's heart or those different things.

There was a price to pay internally for the things we experienced externally.

But in the mid-1990s, psychiatrists working with veteran said, I'm not sure that post-traumatic stress really plumbs the full depth of what's going on for people.

Yes.