Mm-hmm

... and the fly is even more significant in, in people's perception.

If you are doing a seminar or you're talking to a group of people and giving a, a presentation, if you want to get their attention and not hear one breath in the room, reach into your pocket and say, "I've got the fly that's unbelievable," and everybody will focus in on that like a laser.

If you want to lose everyone's attention in the room, say, "If you want to catch more fish, you have to work on your casting and you have to work really, really hard." Nobody wants to hear that.

The, the fly, i- if you go into, go into different fly boxes, I mean, I have friends and we, we share information on flies and e- everybody's using essentially the same patterns, but little differences in the fly, a little difference in color, size, hook size, maybe a little less buoyant, a little more buoyant.

So I, I'm not sure how much the fly matters.

I think, I think its, its buoyancy in the water matters.

Hmm