But also from Donald

Trump.

The homeless have no right to turn every park and sidewalk into a place for them to squat and do drugs.

Americans should not have to step over piles of needles and waste as they walk down a street in a beautiful city.

Our first consideration should be the rights and safety of the hardworking, law-abiding citizens who make our society function.

And when Mark and I talked about public drug use, again, something a lot of people think should be reined in, I asked him, like, if someone is doing drugs on the sidewalk, does he think that person should be arrested? And he basically said, look, homelessness is really hard to do sober.

If you're going to the bathroom behind a dumpster in a McDonald's parking lot, you might as well have a beer.

So while I do not support drug use or alcoholism, I understand people use drugs and alcohol to escape pain.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We've learned that.

We've learned that the hard way, but people still don't pay attention.

You brought up Nick Shirley, and I would just use it as an example.

I figured you did.

And around the same lines, because, you know, When I talk to people like you, you understand media culture, right? I don't know anybody that's a real expert, but you have an understanding, right? And in the homelessness sector, they're like, you know, social media has been around for 20 years and they're still like having conference sessions or they're like doing op-eds and they don't get it.

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I hope you'll join us.

You know, clarify this a little.

Housed people like the term unhoused.

And it's becoming so popular that now...

The term houseless is growing.

It's like we can't say homeless, but now unhoused is too many people using it.

So now we're going to say houseless.

Are there certain countries that are doing it better than others?