Tell us about its role and the development and what's happening there.

Yeah, yeah.

One fun way I like to introduce some of the discussion with this is I'll ask, let's say, whether a class – I'll say, where do you think the oldest – illuminated manuscripts of scripture come from.

So that is copies of scripture that are, uh, in, you know, in the interior are, uh, beautifully illuminated with, uh, with colorful pictures and letters and all this.

And, and so, um, uh, and you know, most people have looked a little bit of this, Oh, Ireland, right? Ireland, we have illuminated manuscripts like, well, no, the oldest illuminated manuscripts of scripture, the gospels in this case are from Ethiopia.

Um, and so, and that, you know, that we still have some of those very early, uh, You know, the early, early manuscripts that still survive from there.

And so what you got there is about the time of Constantine's conversion.

Especially with the, some of these we would call them heretics right but they're being persecuted and actually the gospel's still going forward so i thought to just say mark what do you mean sure not all heresies are created equal

review.

And that's because of our different viewpoints or different way of saying things or something along that line.

So when something comes out, realize it's withstood that scrutiny.

Uh, also though I am, I have to admit, uh, another portion of our team is our, our committee members and board of directors and things along that line.

Uh, we have resources available to us.

Uh, but 40, 40, uh, board of directors of what you are, one of them, Heidi, and then a bunch of, uh, committee members all told we get input from probably about 190 people around the country.

And it's interesting because you get a group of roofing contractors together, and you know this, they all have an opinion, which is great.

So, okay, with this team and all the contractors, the board members and everything, what are you hearing right now as some of the top technical issues that the contractors are dealing with out in the field?

Perhaps we could start by asking you to explain where you live, what sort of home yours is, and why you opted to turn it into your own personal power plant.

Kia ora.

So, yes, Mark Graham.

I live in Waterview.

We bought a slightly run-down 1950s brick-and-tile standalone house about three years ago.

We moved from Point Chiv where we had an old bungalow that had a tin roof.

And I have always wanted to put solar on just because I'm a bit of a greenie.

Elon's gone weird,

[laughs]

And, uh, I have to say that, that as life went on, he was the definition of a good man.

I know Jesus said there is no one good but one, but y- we, we know what a good man is, and this man was one.

Uh, he, he was a forester, which of course caught my attention.

He was a research forester.

He worked for, uh, the State of Washington, the Department of Natural Resources, and his, um, research is still used today when they're estimating timber products or setting up forest, forest sales or things like that.

His data is still valid, and if you go online, you can find some of the things that he did.

[laughs]

So Mark, I'm just, what are you, as you are having contractors calling in and talking about some of these things, are you seeing adoption of kind of doing these evaluations up front across codes, building structures, civil engineering, all of those kinds of things? What are you seeing?

I mean, I think contractors in the design community are getting a lot better than they were even five or 10 years ago, looking out for risks and problems and kind of scoping their responsibilities.

And I mean, there's a couple of reasons for that.

And I think one of those reasons is exactly what we're doing here today.

We got a group of folks online with us and we're talking about it.

We're talking about these risks that, you know, folks might just not have thought about.

And one thing I want to touch on that I think Joel already raised and Trent alluded to it.

So, Mark,

Did you win it or you awarded it?

Well, you know what? I double-checked.

I double-checked with Gemini, I double-checked with Claude, and I double-checked with GPT.

And they all agree with me.

But then I looked at Wikipedia and it says awarded.

So I'm sticking by my guns.

Do you still follow championship diving?

Yeah, yeah.

Good afternoon, everyone.

I asked my wife if we were gonna have a cookout today, and she said no.

But, um, um, it's wonderful to see everybody, and to walk in and to see Lisa Skapira standing there was just an absolute wonderful thing.

Also nice to have our guests, [laughs] the Clor's, and other people here, too.

But that was a real lovely thing to see Lisa here.

Um, when I heard that Mr. and Mrs. Clor were going to be here, and he was going to be speaking, it made me think back to the last time I saw the Clor's, which would have been in Pasadena, like, 50-some years ago.

[laughs]

But when I went to Pasadena, I learned that I was not Pasadena's [laughs]...

And so the publishers have become our landlords.

Another dimension of this is that in the last few years, we've seen a rise of AI companies.

that are providing services to the public based on them scooping up pretty much all the material that's been publicly available on the web, including news articles and other kinds of licensed material or copy protected material in some fashion.

And right now there's a bit of a backlash against that because a lot of publishers aren't happy with this.

They don't think they're being fairly compensated and they think that their material is being used in ways that are hurting them, that are hurting their business models.

And in fact, some are considering it an existential threat to their ability to continue to produce high quality journalism.

And one of the reactions to that is to lock things down.

And then maybe what the best, the single few most important things that could be done in order to make this easier would be.

There was a time early in his ministry when Jesus decided that it was very important that he get out of Jerusalem quickly, and he wanted to, to leave Jerusalem and go up to Galilee, where he was a little more comfortable and, and, uh, knew the area.

His family was there.

And, um, there, there were two routes to go because people often went from Jerusalem area to Galilee.

You could either go straight up the, the easy, fast way, which took about three days, and, uh, it seemed like that's what Jesus had in mind in this particular instance, but it took you through the area called Samaria, and that was considered a, a, something to avoid by many of the Jews, and some of them would take extra time and go up the Jordan Valley, close to the Jordan River, all the way up to the Sea of Galilee because they really did not want to go through Samaria, and they really did not want to meet Samarians.

Samaria was, um, a very interesting part of the world.

Uh, why did the Jews hate them? Well, let's turn to 2 Kings 17, and, um, we're only gonna read a couple verses here, but the whole story in 2 Kings 17:5 is really one of the great stories of the Bible, how it happened that, um, i- is the northern kingdom was taken captive and that other people were brought in.

[laughs]

And Jesus said, "My food is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work.

Why is it that we're even focusing on this, sir?

Yeah, it is, it is a fairly common problem in, in our older patients.

Um, so the issue we're having there is the circulation down to the legs, the arterial circulation is absolutely fine, but it's the venous return.

So we know, um, that can be impaired for lots of reasons.

So one of the main ones is, is, uh, is the valves don't work as well as us- they used to, so you've got incompetence of the valves.

That causes varicose veins.

Then you've got back pressure, um, and that causes venous hypertension.

How would you approach that?

What happened with the Bears?

We were in the Carpathian Mountains and we saw like we've been camping a little bit, camped a lot more in Europe than we have in Southeast Asia.

And we get accommodation where we can.

But we camped in a small forest up in the Carpathian Mountains that we thought wasn't attached to any other forests, wasn't part of a green belt.

So we thought it was safe enough.

pitched the tent, got into the sleeping bags where we were about to go to sleep and then we heard a roar coming from down below us in the woods and then we heard another one answering it from up above us and it was two bears kind of roaring at each other so in the dark, in the middle of the night we had to pack up all our gear try and talk to each other very calmly because what we read, what you do in a situation like that is make some noise, not enough noise that you scare the bears, but enough that they know you're there.

So very frighteningly, we packed all our gear up and we got out of the woods as fast as we can when we heard those bears.

And is that where kind of people might put you up or at least let you use their shower?