And what did that experience look like?

Yeah, well, I was like a lot of teenagers.

I mean, I grew up in a good Catholic family, but I didn't believe in God.

And for me, I thought that thinking intelligent people... know that religion is kind of, you know, subjective, made up, kind of more of an archaic thing.

And besides, there's all kinds of different religions anyways.

Who's to say, you know, one's better than the other? And it seems to me a lot or some of the science community was atheistic or at least agnostic.

And so and I guess my experience of church to a lot of it was was a lot of the rituals going through the rituals.

Yeah.