We may have to have some, some local blackout situations depending on what the demand does here because our supply and our demand are not talking to each other very well right now," right? So did that mindset kinda help drive you towards that, or were you already on that path before th- those issues started coming up?

Well, I, I'm a realist, okay? And as I said, I, I ran the Western Area Power Administration, you know, miles and miles and miles of big wire, uh, but I started in the business in the distribution side of the house, and that's really, quite frankly, where the industry started to begin with.

We, we didn't create massive power plants and big grids from the get-go.

We started with various towns and cities and then slightly broader states starting to electrify, then we hooked it to transmission.

But I look at the reality of what we have today, certainly here in the Western United States, and I realize it's very different in the East Coast, but here in the Western grid, we've got several issues.

We've got large-scale power plants which are closing.

We've got a increasing demand, a galloping demand some would call it.

Yeah.

And how do you go through that? And how do you As you've said, with A's, B's, all the way down the report card, how do you prioritize when you implement a change what you want to see first and what's going to deliver the most value?

The other thing that I've noted in my career is that a lot of the old and older designs were sort of one-off snowflakes.

So you have this kind of weird world where, well, you know, I always use the statistic of the average large power transformer design is used 1.3 times.

That doesn't lend itself really well to some type of standardization.

And I know folks push back.

And if we wait for organizations like IEEE to come up with a standard, we will all be retired.

Even you, Kinsey, on that one.

particularly in a situation like a storm or during wildfire season when you have multiple stakeholders who don't all necessarily want to drive their trucks out, right, to a specific location, but being able to sit in different offices in different locations and get all of the same information to make the decision together.

What's the number?

He's offered on another house here in Rhinola, which is like the next town over here in Rogers County.

It's like a dumpy little farm town.

They offered on that house and to go contingent, they sent the contract from the other person, but they didn't sign it.

So they use that to go contingent on their offer.

And I said, hey, they're going to need to see a signed offer, though.

So he's like, yeah, well, I don't want to send yours and have them get a different one from me.

So there's always that