So building on that point of view, I'm wondering your message to policymakers about effectively balancing economic prosperity with emotional and psychological and social wellbeing, what do you think policymakers need to know about their role in this entire discussion? What are your thoughts there, Professor?

So I'd point to two things.

One's a bit kind of nerdy.

So I think first, policymakers need to have a richer conception of what a good life is.

I think, unfortunately, a lot of our politicians are a very peculiar type of person who is very ambitious, very interested in power, very interested in money.

And as a result of that, they have a conception of a good life as kind of winning or being on top of a hierarchy or having power, this kind of stuff.

For the average person, that's not really what a good life is.

So I'm wondering if you can dive into that for me and why you challenge that narrative specifically, my friend.