And then how do you decide how you make that leap from bracing to surgery?

Very good question, and very thoughtful process that we go through.

Some of them become no-brainers.

They come in, and their curve went from 15 to 30 to 50.

You know you have to do something.

Some of them will, just like some kids will be late bloomers, seemingly stall- stalling or finishing out their growth and then have a late spurt, and then it progresses.

Different conversations with different...

Um, any hot new research about to come out, new techniques, new ideas?

Yeah

...

he was just like really, um, kind of a jack of all trades kind of guy and a believer in that anything and everything can be fixed.

So he had a shop that, you know, had every tool making or metal making, uh, tool and wood, woodworking tool you could ever imagine.

So, you know, whenever I had something come up in my head out of my imagination, he would be, you know...

He would bring me to the shop and say, "Okay.

Here's your idea.

Okay.