Yeah.

Well, so it's about the family from hell, really.

They're from Birmingham.

They're a rich family.

If you kind of think of somebody like Alan Sugar or Jeremy Dyson or even, dare I say, Donald Trump, these kind of very powerful, rich families.

entrepreneurs.

So the patriarch of this family is called Charles Grant and he made his fortune selling computer hardware.

So when you've got lots of twists and turns and things like that, is it important to plot it all beforehand? Do you need to plan it all out a bit? Yeah.

Right

... before Old World.

Mark Edwards, one entry for other." So I enter that.

This is one of the reasons why I'm going to America.

My, my love of painting is also one of the things that winds me up.

The, a, a Golden Slayer Sword winner can enter the competition every year, and I know in the UK alone, there's eight Slayer Sword winners.

That means they enter it every year, a chance of re-winning it.

Yeah.

Can you speak to why there is that draw, and your concerns about it?

For me, working with and talking with parents specifically, there are a couple of things to bear in mind.

The first is that as a parent, one of the things that makes parenting so difficult is that you're often working on two levels at the same time.

In the case of, "Mom, I need some money for Robux," or, "Mom, I need some money for this new skin or this new weapon," there is the immediate moment.

Do I reinforce this with my child? Do I allow my child to feel successful? Do I allow my child to have the thing that they want in the moment? At the same time, that one of the difficulties of being a parent is that you're parenting not just for now, but for where your child will be in six weeks, six months, and six years.

And one of the lessons that parents can instill with their children, one of the possibilities that having this negotiation about in-app purchases or in-game purchases, what that prese- uh, presents to you is the opportunity to talk with kids about specifically what is it that this purchase will get you? Is this purchase something that's worth buying right now? Now, in the moment, that's an important and, and useful conversation to have, but it's also something that will be much more important as time goes by.

What starts off as a few dollars for an in, in-game purchase right now turns into designer jeans or this car over that car or a house in this neighborhood over that neighborhood.

Now, obviously, it gets overboard.

I am, I'm always really interested in like audience questions at festival events because they can come out of nowhere, some of them, can't they? Have you ever had any memorable experiences with your audience questions?

I mean, usually I think there's certain questions that you always get asked, like, are you a plotter? Are you a pantser? And which is your favorite of your books? And is there going to be a film or TV adaptation? You can always kind of expect those questions, which I'm always really happy to answer.

I mostly can't think of any.

No, that's good.

I do get sent some very strange emails and messages sometimes.

Yeah, people asking some quite personal things.

Really? Or just, I mean, I love kind of interacting with readers.

succession kind of

Mark, did you have something about the voting?

Yes, just to answer that question, it was not rank choice voting.

I don't think that came in into 2009 or so.

It was popular vote.

These days, Edwards tells us what he and McLean have been working on.

So the latest project we've been working on has been, so we moved from residential into commercial.

It's not as grand as what it sounds.

We restructured the self-managed super fund with, as Sam said, a number of our super funds around the place.

And this is a learning that... a lot of people do is say, particularly in my case, is that you move a job and they just basically say, here is your new super fund that you're going to be contributing to.

And all of a sudden you've got all of these returns that come in, so end of July saying, here's your super fund and you have made 13 cents and here is another super fund.

And you get all of these sort of superannuation statements.

In terms of getting on the bandwagon of trends of co-living spaces and the experienced economy, Edwards and McLean also want to try their hand at doing that too.

Edwards tells us about how he got into property investment, in particular a property he built when he was just starting out in the world of property.

From my side of things, it was more, you know, sort of jumping in with my own two feet.

There was no real solid foundation from what home looked like, and that was something that I wanted to build in the literal sense.

But one thing which I found I, I did, I got a, like, I got a, um, I got the bug, the bug for building.

Um, and as I said, first home I built was a little 11 square, you know, sort of eight-meter-wide villa block out in, uh, far western Sydney, and um, you know, just straight off the plan with Marsden Homes.

I remember very vividly that house being built in 14 weeks or something, because it was basically just ...

There were no meta- modifications.

These days, Edwards tells us what he and MacLean have been working on.

But

I will say when it started happening, I was like, There's no way this will be a big time commitment.

It's not going to encroach on my other projects.

Totally.

Because I was like, Greg is so busy.

This is just going to be for fun on the side.

And here we are

Check one, two.

So we're not gonna, you know, like fix all of the potential biases in the human mind, but I'm interested to hear your thoughts on this heuristic that we have and then what we can do about it.

Yeah, but I, I think you're right that it's not possible to-- well, it's difficult to fix directly because that is the way we, you know, we-- I think thinking is, you know, it's often assigning things into categories or groups that allow you to say, "That's that.

This is that," and you can compare and contrast or those sorts of things.

That seems to be a fundamental way in which we think.

But I think even actually just being aware of it is a good start.

So knowing that or-- and admitting that these categories are imperfect and they, they are fundamentally points of perspective, really.

So I, I sometimes think about it as, as sort of levels of understanding.

So I'm interested to hear from you what we can learn from some of the work in FND and how we can extrapolate it to better understand brain-mind-body connections.

How can creators protect themselves? So Mark, what's the first thing that they should do before they even start pre-production? Well, the first thing

I would say to a creator is that the only foolproof way to protect your idea or your work is not to share it with anybody.

But that's very impractical, very difficult to get a film or television product made without the efforts of others.

So collaboration is a necessity, obviously.

But there's a point there to that, and that is that, number one, sharing it before it's ready to be shared.

In other words, the more fully formed your idea, the more realized your concept or your script, and obviously, as we've discussed, it's recorded in some way, the less likely that you're going to encounter difficulties with someone else taking advantage of it.

But assuming that you're going to collaborate, which we all do eventually, non-disclosure agreements can be useful.

At what point should a creator call in the big guns and actually contact a lawyer or industry organization for backup?

Mm.

So now when people compare, um, the new Kermit to Steve Whitmire, because Steve got fired, um, they're like, "Well, you're not even comparing it to Jim Henson anymore," because g- people like me, like, grew up watching the kind of new, like, resurgence of the Muppets through the '90s and early 2000s.

Um, so even people's con- like, concept of what Kermit is or was is a bit skewed by just, like, Treasure Island and, um, uh, yeah-

[laughs]

And then they also shoot some new scenes with an actor who looks like Jimmy Wang Wu, so they could have, like, a little bit more structure to the story.

And then he dubs all the characters [laughs] poorly, and intentionally poorly.

None of the lips match.

And it was, like, one of the early times where me and my brother were home alone, and so we got to just go pick a movie and order a pizza.

Can I quickly ask you, Matt, when did you last do one on a patient?

Oh, um, yeah, it would have been within the last year probably.

We had a couple of patients who came in all from a road traffic accident where we ended up opening the chest.

So it's, it's sadly not an uncommon thing to have to do.

And certainly when I was in London, it would be a weekly occurrence, if not monthly, so...

My name's Mark Edwards.

I'm a vascular and major trauma surgeon, and I teach here for the Royal College of Surgeons on the Definitive Surgical Trauma Skills course.

And believe that you can do it.