Yeah.

"Push them out of Tarin Kowt." And that's what they started doing in 2006, literally pushing the enemy out of town.

Um, and 2007 we were sort of still pushing them back down path, out of Chora and down out of the Miran Brad Valley to then be back in, um, 2012-'13 with the military literally saying, "Hey, what we need you to do now is to degrade their leadership so that, um, we can train the Afghan forces, we can, um, sustain a lot less Australian casualties."

Mm-hmm.

We actually did the SAS troop that was there.

We did some overwatch operations while the commandos went through and did some sweeps, um, some s- some good skirmishes with the enemy.

And then at the end of that period, I can't remember how long it was, maybe five or so days, it, it was time to head back to TK so that we could, uh, uh, return to Australia, basically hand over to the, to the next crew.

Um, the drive back was always gonna be challenging, and we knew that.

What would that what-if sequence or process look like for you and your team before you're going to go and get after something like that? Can you talk to it at the tactical level type deal, what it might look like?

Yeah, whether you're in a military sense or whether you're in sort of a security safety sense, there are environments where you have an adversary who's trying to outsmart you.

So they're adapting and they're changing and the laws of the environment won't apply because someone is going to change the laws.

So in a general safety sense, You can predict gravity.

You can predict electricity.

You can predict all these dangers that might affect you.

You can't protect someone trying to hurt you.

What's hardship taught you that being comfortable never would have been able to? I think one of my big