So there are all of these different ways, aren't there, that we can come to writing and discover ourselves as a writerly being, I guess.

I couldn't agree more.

And interestingly, I don't know, a few months ago, it was last year, I think, I found a notebook because I quite like...

I always have like a desk notebook.

I always have a notebook that's for a book that I'm working on.

And I'll have another notebook where...

it will have whatever, you know, scribblings of ideas.

But I'm so fascinated to hear your take on it and where your writing's taking you and where the community meet you and all of that sort of bit of the picture as well.

Uh-

I mean, for most people, he, he had, like, a huge guiding hand in the pleasure of much of the music that many of us have listened to over the years.

He was in the kind of the, the Motown house band that was behind everything from Marvin to Four Tops to The Jacksons to Stevie Wonder, to literally hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds-

Yeah.

And he just was the heartbeat, but the, but the gorgeous...

You know, he played bass guitar, but he played it in a way that nobody had ever played before.

The way he rolled around the melody, the way he rolled around the rhythm, the way he made a song sing.

And I came...