it's beautiful words you're right there's poetry there but the theme really is almost a counterintuitive way to live it's peace so i'm curious for you what would have prompted you number one to study that and write about it and is there a part of that prayer that was or maybe is like the most difficult for you

Yeah, great questions.

Well, I was raised actually a Jesuit Catholic, Jennifer, and Catholic educated, Jesuit high school, et cetera, and an altar boy.

Today they're called altar servers.

So I was very steeped in my Catholic faith and formed by my Catholic faith.

And that prayer, of course, is central and virtually every Catholic knows it and knows It's recited regularly.

It almost feels like it came out of the Beatitudes, if you will.

So therefore, if that's my thinking, and I'm happy for you to tweak it, but my question would be, do we as Christians do this? What's our reputation like for being peacemakers?

Mm-hmm

... coming up, I can't remember, but right after it, I think, in 2001.

And so all of a sudden, I'm a 39-year-old first-time church planter trying to take on this Navy SEAL-type work, you know, dropped in with a backpack.

In this type of area, good luck, you know? Just keep going.

You have enough training to, to figure it out.

So early on, we had to address politics, and what we came up with as a church was a, a, a pithy little line, if you will.

We don't endorse people, parties, or platforms, but we pray for everyone, and we've stuck to that.

Mm.