yeah

the east bay ones built the oakland um port cranes or whatever so yeah and over time they evolved i guess into um you know, more diverse and interesting stuff.

And some of it was, you know, some of it was quite literal.

Some of it was a bit more abstract, whatevs.

And I got involved in that through, at the time, possibly Stephen Raspa involved, I think.

They were...

The Burning Man organization had a film crew who had gone and interviewed people making these effigies and created a media kit so that you could then create a little video for your regional area and have some pre-recorded B-roll footage of Steve and Raspa talking about community or whatever that you could then punch in.

The

Mm.

And then I start putting it together, obviously, when he's shooting, and then by the end of the shoot, I've got the whole film together.

And then we work together very closely, and that's where we find the rhythm of each scene, you know, and what we need to take out and what we need to expand or change.

And that's where we find the darkness and the light together.

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... which is hilarious.

You know, a lovely scene just so beautifully directed by David.

You know, he gives me all this wonderful footage which I can then just play with as you watch the film over and over again.