the moment you are in the stage of being highly, you and your team are being highly creative with what the vine is offering you and then what the wines are that you can then produce.

Exactly, Phil.

So, I mean, the joy of winemaking, and it is still one of those big mysteries to me, is how you grow these grapes.

You follow the weather.

Every year the season is different.

And, you know, winemaking in England is getting better each year.

You know, the quality of winemaking in England is going up and up and up.

But even more recently with... formal gardens landscape gardens I mean there's so many examples of Andy Goldsworthy yeah