Are you happy with how that's being picked up and where things are going? Are we actually making progress?

I really hope so.

I really hope so.

Like, to be involved over, you know, with that for the last year or 18 months, it was a massive, massive learning curve for me.

And obviously there's still lots to learn, but...

I think the biggest thing was what came out of it the first half was learning and then learning where we are at and where we're heading.

And that became, you know, once we had the facts in front of us, it became quite frightening.

Where is he at, and should our Sport Nation listeners be backing him?

Are you happy with how that's being picked up and where things are going? Are we actually making progress?

I really hope so.

I really hope so.

Like, to be involved over, you know, with that for the last year or 18 months, it was a massive, massive learning curve for me, and obviously there's still lots to learn, but...

I think the biggest thing was what came out of it the first half was learning and then learning where we are at and where we're heading.

And that became, you know, once we had the facts in front of us, it became quite frightening.

And then, honestly, the amount of work that... that board put in, but in particular, three or four of them, the likes obviously of Greg Tomlinson and Brendan Lindsay and Steve Thompson down there, the work that they put in was absolutely incredible, all in their own time, all at their own cost.

Where is he at, and should our Sport Nation listeners be backing him?

And here's a bit of what Mark Chitty came to say earlier in the week, reflecting on Pine at the Saturday Bill.

Oh, there are a couple of various visual bottles of wine that I had for a number of years.

And usually it would have been opened on a celebration that I thought it was very fair.

No, it wasn't a celebration.

It was a celebration of his life.

And, you know, one of the first people outside of the farm that I rang was obviously Rodgie.

And he just said the best words, you know.

And did he sort of change your life, I guess, the whole, you know, Gary and your children coming through as well?

So what do we need with the two codes coming together, potentially HRNZ? Is it just about resources, keeping overheads down? How do you have more horses on the ground?

Yeah, I think it all hopefully leads to, as you say, more product and a really good product because...

Certainly the fold crops in both industries, that's the biggest indicator of us going backwards.

And it's at a level now where it can't go backwards anymore.

So therefore we have to turn things into a positive manner.

And there's so many, let's say, green shoots, positive things on the horizon, providing we can let's say tick those boxes and and um and get those get those things happening um but yes it's it's very important that um we get positivity back into the industry and in both industries and look you know like from a personal point of view i look at it as it's not a big industry it can't be that hard um to run in an in an efficient uh manner But yeah, there's certain things that have just got out of control.

And the expenses, yeah, it's all just got out of control.

massive

So what do we need with the two codes coming together, potentially HRNZ? Is it just about resources, keeping overheads down? How do you have more horses on the ground?

Yeah, I think it all hopefully leads to, as you say, more product and a really good product because...

Certainly the fold crops in both industries, I mean, that's the biggest indicator of us going backwards.

And it's at a level now where it can't go backwards anymore.

So therefore, we have to turn things into a positive manner.

And there's so many, let's say, green shoots, positive things on the horizon that providing we can, let's say, tick those boxes and get those things happening.

But yes, it's very important that we get positivity back into the industry and both industries.

a massive part