I thought that I would have a, a very short career, and one not noteworthy of anything.

So here you have this guy, and Vince told him, "If you wanna be successful in this business, you have to have a little bit of [censored] in you." What that meant was is you have to be able to go out there, and sometimes you have to, you have to do the right thing for yourself because it's the right thing for the company.

Glenn was just a really nice guy.

Scary.

[laughs] You know, could rip your head off without blinking an eye probably, but a genuinely nice human being.

And that's great, but sometimes in this business, and especially in that era, you had to be able to stand up for yourself, and you had to have a little bit of [censored] in you.

And by the time that Kane came along, I think he had realized that, and it, and it w- he knew that it was his last chance.

That's what made it special.