And like, I love your story there because it kind of segues right into this about how they create things to mimic.

Yeah, that is, it's a really good, it's a parallel kind of a thing.

So yeah, you're referring to...

For years I did, so my immunology PhD and then working at the National Cancer Institute on drugs to cure cancer.

I've always been also very interested in plants.

My master's was in photosynthesis and it just amazes me that plants are able to use the power of the sun, take CO2 from the air and create all of these incredible biomolecules for their own self-defense, you know, to defend against the sun or, you know, they create carotenoids and polyphenols defending against animals eating them.

So they create this cornucopia of molecules and they often become the inspiration for drugs.

And I think we now know diet has a lot to do with the bad inflammation and subsequent pain,