And so I wonder, like, as these old players who really were sort of like high wattage, heavy hitter people are sort of reaching the end of their run, are the younger generations really, do they have an orientation towards leading? Or is that part of it? I

think that there's definitely a generational aspect to it.

I mean, if, excuse me, if you look at the data about how Gen X and post-baby boomers are contributing.

They're contributing money to philanthropic, but they're contributing in a different way.

A lot of it is online.

The growth in online charitable giving is significant.

They are more engaged with individual causes or activities than they are with the institutions that historically allocated funding.

What does this leave the nonprofit? What is the future of funding these nonprofits? Is it government or what is