Do you think further funding could be or, or should be forthcoming? And if it was on a national level from government, would that be transformative for the outlook of the species?

Yeah.

I think there's several things there to un- unpack from it.

One, so one is- We're not short of money.

It's not if we had extra money, we could do this or we could do that, because we don't have the birds.

We've done everything we possibly can with the birds we actually have.

If we got to a stage like in Holland where we had 50 breeding pairs or 70 breeding pairs, we would need a small army of volunteers then, and those army of volunteers would be replicating what we've been doing on this small scale across the whole of the UK.

Gi- given the events of this summer, what are your overall thoughts now on the plight of Montagu's harrier in the UK a- as we go forward? I suspect your outlook has changed considerably in the space of a couple of years.

Six, but...

Did any of that stick? No.

I mean, I can remember like kind of major and minor chords and stuff like that, but I don't really keep it up.

And I had such an aversion to it because it was like classical music was just being hammered down my throat and I was...

Like my mother was, she'd wanted to be an opera singer, but that trajectory got interrupted by World War II.

She's German.

So she, her idea of good music was strictly classical.

What about elsewhere in America? Were there other scenes that were kind of adjacent and that you could tour because they had a similar kind of fan base?

Can you just explain how early releases currently work?

So it's a basic concept that no offender will serve the full length of their sentence.

It's very straightforward.

There are three main schemes by which someone is released early.

They're either released at the 40% mark, so having served 40% of their sentence, at the 50% mark, having served half of their sentence, or for the most serious offenders, they're released having served two-thirds of their sentence.

When someone is released, they are released on license, meaning that they're subject to conditions that are set by the probation service.

If they comply with those conditions, then they will remain out of prison for the remainder of their sentence, so they're essentially serving their sentence in the community.

Why is that change being made?

Can you tell us the story behind this?

No, that's true.

And I just got this confirmed last night because some of these tails can grow legs up here in the Adelaide Hills.

But I just wanted to speak to my mother about it.

So it is true.

So for the best part of two weeks, I was known as Patrick was my first name.

So I would have been Patrick Thomas.

Very well named, I would

What do you think banks are underestimating?

There are gonna be questions.

Make [laughs] there'll be no doubt of that.

There will be questions.

In 18 months' time, there's going to be a report that comes out that's gonna make certain findings.

Those are just indicators of what the commission believes the state of play to be.

But those findings are going to be wide, very broad-ranging.

Mm

So take me back to the very beginning of your musical curiosity, like pre-punk rock.

Oh, this is really pre-punk rock.

Um, so my family moved to Seattle when I was about four.

Um, my dad was a, this is going way in the weeds.

He was from Kansas.

He met my mom in Germany.

Uh, they had me, we moved to Seattle when I was four.

That would be mainstream Mr. Epp, right? Well,

Mm.

The enforcement mechanism is the Competition Tribunal.

So what the commission is doing is they're looking into the sector, they're looking into these business models, and they're trying to see how the entire sector is structured, how the financing is structured, who's participating, who's not participating, how can you get more historically disadvantaged persons to participate in this sector.

So what'll happen over the next 18 months is gonna be a set of public inquiries, questions from the commission, whole bunch of interactions, and at the end, only at the end, after 18 months, do they generate a report.

And in that report, and as we've seen from the past, there's a lot of legal debate about what comes out.

[laughs]

Mm-hmm.

And I think one of the first points I wanna make is that this doesn't necessarily mean it's just a South African issue and a South African public participation process.

Mm.

The enforcement mechanism is the Competition Tribunal.

So what the commission is doing is they're looking into the sector, they're looking into these business models, and they're trying to see how the entire sector is structured, how the financing is structured, who's participating, who's not participating, how can you get more historically disadvantaged persons to participate in this sector.

So what'll happen over the next 18 months is gonna be a set of public inquiries, questions from the commission, whole bunch of interactions.

And at the end, only at the end, after 18 months, do they generate a report.

And in that report, and as we've seen from the past, there's a lot of legal debate about what comes out.

[laughs]

Mm-hmm.

Will you describe your personal conversion experience?

I was living a lifestyle, a party lifestyle in Las Vegas, Nevada, man.

I didn't grow up as a Christian.

My parents weren't Christian, so I was not raised in a Christian home.

Man, I just lived a party, crazy lifestyle.

That lifestyle led me to Sin City, Las Vegas, Nevada.

I'm 26 years old, man.

Would you lead us in the prayer of bringing someone who could be seeking Jesus, doesn't know Jesus, into salvation?

That's cool.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, I mean, that also just, it steps it up, you know, working with, yeah, Thomas was an engineer in there, but even just funding to do, like pay someone to make artwork and make music videos.

And I think that is a pretty, It separates the previous project where even the artwork, I dabble in.

I have Illustrator now.

There'll be Illustrator, but I'm definitely not a designer.

yeah

you know,

high sugars, very digestible.

It's just excellent quality.

And then they had, you know, a mixture where they had Perennial ryegrass, they had white clover, red clover, alfalfa, plantain, chicory, and the difference in animal performance was almost, I mean their gains were almost 2x what they were on monocultural perennial ryegrass.

And so that's one of the things I've noticed, you know, out here where we run a lot of cattle on, you know, stockers on wheat.

And so they'll gain on wheat, but it takes them a while to adjust to that kind of diet.

And those cattle are always craving something else.

Yeah,

Walk me through, how did that start? Did you initially form the business together or did you know each other beforehand?

That's a nice question.

I'm very lucky with my business partner.

It's probably one of the, we'll call it luck, right place.

I joined the business, it had a different name then in 2009, and I'd previously worked in a business selling websites to corporate, had a back injury.

lost that job and then went and found this job and i was able to approach it because while i was while i was getting better and recovering i just learned how to do google ads and ran a few ads and my first dollar ever nathan was on a finance company adwords campaign that i was just running in america randomly so i'm just thinking of you um so i got the job and and dylan was an employee there this business at the time was it had um maybe ten staff that had won a Telstra Business Award and I was able to invest a little bit of money into the company and support some of its growth and I got to know Dylan.

So over the first four or five years Dylan and I worked next to each other and I got to know each other, what our what our style is, what our ethics are, how we operate.

how you're able to integrate that?

You know, what was it like in the, in the household in terms of music and how you guys gravitated toward it?

Wow.

Um, okay.

So, uh, I guess I have to be the one on that one.

Um, started a band, um, I have to go back to, gosh, the early '60s.

Me and my brother Art, um, we had, well, we had an uncle named Darius Black.

You familiar with the group called The London Folk, Continentals and The London Folk? I think you might remember them if, uh, we were r- real young dudes and, uh, our uncle passed away at 17.

Yeah.

Like, what was the assignment? What happened?

So the crux of the assignment was that, um, I was given an assignment and you had to compare and contrast two, um, types of interventions for a particular scenario.

One was a fairly old intervention, and one's a new intervention.

So how do we used to do things, and how do we do things now? That was the assignment.

Um, the assignment was, for me, compiled, um, and researched in the same way that I had researched every other assignment for the last three years, and that is with the tools given to us by Murdoch University, um, a set of guidelines on how to use those tools by Murdoch University.

And then once I had done that and submitted it, that was then a few days later that I received an email from, um, the unit coordinator saying, "Look, you've been flagged for AI.

Please do not contact me," in bold writing.

What are the kind of, uh, attitudes a- with-- among your fello- fellow students about AI?