I know that's loaded, but talk about that, Marjorie.

You know, there is, and as you know, I'm from Newark, New Jersey.

You didn't have inventors to kind of guide you through, that's right, to guide you on how to play the game.

I knew how to get the education, but nobody told me how to play the game.

So if you told me to go build the Taj Mahal, I was so ambitious on success.

I said, I can do that.

without thinking of all the layers that goes with that.

where and how do you build that level of integrity for yourself? So you gain that trust with those around you?