What have you most enjoyed or been most appalled by Trump, term two?

Well, I mean, there's a lot to be appalled by, isn't there? I, I-- in terms of what have I most enjoyed, um, the least malevolent things, although they are quite malevolent.

I have enjoyed the series of kind of home improvements to Washington, DC.

I am obsessed with all-- I'm obsessed with the ballroom.

The New York Times got some pictures of the ballroom, and it's like you'd given an AI prompt of something, the ballroom designs, but they hadn't ever been to a ballroom.

So they've got all these steps, but then there's no door.

I don't know if they've [laughs] changed those plans, but all the loos, I think, were down the side of the inside of the ballroom.

Like that kind of like remarkably weird stuff

like sport, isn't it? Yeah,

it is like sport.

And there's something very different about the celebrity format, which I really like.

The two formats, the civilian and the celebrity, are really different, which is not the same necessarily with all shows like that.

What's the difference then? difference is that they all know each other right um they all think they all probably have a vanity executive producer credit on their own show and think that they should be able to produce their own arcs on the show and they all kind of think they know what's happening and they i think that this time the thing that i thought would happen with the first series is The first time they announced it, I thought, oh, you know what? This could be massively exposing for lots of people who think that it's great.

You'd have to talk about your private life.

It's not like, you know, I'm a celeb or some of the other formats where it's just like you're playing a high-stakes, high-prestige game.

Um, have you spotted any patterns where we might be going? Um, do you think we're going to Helena and car? Uh, is this terrible when you think about the Norman conquest or you think about the Mongols, we think about Hiroshima, you know, are things as bad as some people would like us to, to, to think

Definitely.

Did you grow up, so you grew up with that ethos? It was, that's something you discovered later that you, it was mealtimes or presenting food or-

... you eat differently from other people.

Maybe doing, um, a, a show is a bit like doing a dish, you know? All the ingredients that go into it and the performance.

When I do a meal or when I cook something or we do something at the River Cafe, you kind of take a long time to get ready.

Takes a lot of choosing, of time, of, um, of searching for the right thing, and then

Yeah

... you know, he'd be, he'd be up there in the rankings of ... 'Cause I, I have a th- you know, I don't think women, and I will tell you quite honestly, I don't think women fancy Tom Cruise, and they didn't even then.

But so what's interesting is he ...

Uh, and, and, you know, when I think about, like, who was on the walls of everybody in the '80s and whatever, and, you know, he's not Rob Lowe or Keanu Reeves or any of these people.

He's not even like Mel Gibson.

He ...

But there is something about him that is so completely compelling, he becomes, with this movie, the primo movie star.

[laughs]

Yes.

He started having a go at specific headlines in his Pentagon press conference and drawing attention to how they could've been done better.

He's saying, instead of saying, you know, Middle Eastern war intensifies, it should say Iran increasingly desperate.

And he said, uh, another one fake headline I saw, war widening.

Here's a real headline for you for our actual patriotic press, Iran shrinking, going underground.

Okay.

Um, they're up to $140.

He thinks they're amazing.

According to Brooklyn's account Victoria Beckham was going to make Nicola's dress, but she pulled out on the 11th hour to quote Brooklyn.

Yes.

I mean, it's all in there, isn't it? I mean, I can't really be asked for any of the dress on any of that as- aspect of the story.

I don't really care.

I, I think it's sort of stunning that these people that we elevated in place, you know, when you ...

Seeing their place in celebrity culture, the Beckhams, they were the f- actual crest of that wave of celebrity turning to something very, very different.

Um, it happened in the late '90s, and then it goes, it explodes particularly in the noughties.

His younger brothers just seem slightly more well-adjusted.