And

yeah, so.

Basically, the things that have been going on for me, aside from, you know, the health, have been just trying to kind of unearth a little deeper what this, link these people together.

You know, the black book fuckers.

Sorry, that's what they are.

And I'm trying to discern through other survivors and through my experience, you know, And basically what we have is a cluster F.

You know, it's a big cluster.

Vaguely, I remember hearing about that case.

Wow!

And let me explain why, okay? Still, to this day, I, I don't believe some of the things saying that these presidents raped teenagers.

I don't think that's how it went down.

That's my personal opinion, because some of their stories just seem mm-mm.

But there's a pattern to all the abuse, and the people who aren't involved in the pattern tend to make up things.

[chuckles] And they make it more extreme than it really was.

Like, right now, there's this satanic panic BS going on, and that is not what our case is about, and it's really, really disrespectful to victims.

Yes or no?

How are you, how are you digesting all of this?

Thank you for asking that.

That's very thoughtful, because a lot of people aren't aware of every time his picture is on one of their podcasts or, you know, and I've asked several people, "Can you please not just flash his picture everywhere, or Maxwell's, and not glamorize them?" But thank you for asking that, 'cause a lot of people aren't aware that that retraumatizes victims, every time we have to see his face.

And it's a case that has just never gone away.

It just, it just won't go away, and I need your audience to understand that.

You know, I reported this almost three decades ago.

So, a lot of people will say, "Oh, why is she just coming forward now?" And they think it's political, and it's not.

... to the police.