Yeah.

Um, and then, uh, probably six, five or six years ago, um, I started questioning myself a lot about what sort of material I was using and where it came from.

Um, um, I've always been very aware of, uh, my environment, and I was very concerned, and I'm still, I still am very concerned about minery and, uh, well, clay comes from the mountain, and how many mountains-

... do you want this preserved? Do you want it to carry on?

Um, but at the beginning, I, I think I didn't realize the amount of, um, like, what it meant for my, uh, stu- well, my, my research, but also, like, my personal, um, yeah, craftsmanship.

Uh, because I just started coming back to the place and learning from them, but also sort of sensing, um, what are the daily lives and the problems and the situations and how to weave a better relationship between them and me, but also within them.

Um, and it's been a very slow process.

I mean, I've been there, this is my sixth year coming there, or going there.