... 30, 40, 50, um, because it just doesn't feel real unless they're experiencing it.

Well, and the, and, and the whole hormonal, I was been thinking a lot about this the last couple days as I've been looking more into the estrogenic impact, you know, is that, uh, I was thinking about the history of, you know, estrogen being, you know, femine forever in the '50s, you know, with Roberts.

And then suddenly, um, in 2001, it was like, no, everybody needs to come off.

Nobody needs to take it at all.

Now, this complete sort of fragmentation of who and how, um, that's why I really appreciate, uh, what Dutch is doing, and particularly, uh, in terms of identifying.

The paper that I read, I think it was from 20, uh, 23, where looking at estrogen levels and seeing, you know, what mode of, um, delivery, uh, i- results in estrogen levels is really important stuff.

And looking at, well, what are the recommendations for treating people for osteoporosis, preventing osteoporosis, um, and what estrogen levels do we need to have? And really, there, there's a lot of talk about what that would look like in the blood or what are the most optimal estrogen levels for preventing that, but there really are no recommendations at this point except for what people should take, right? And what you should take is this, and women, a lot of women don't wanna take some of the recommendations of estrogens or feel uncomfortable or d- do- don't feel good on a patch with the proper amount that theoretically is gonna protect, you know? So there's that.

Yeah.