And I would love to just go into that with you.

It's such a fascinating question.

I actually think that I have gotten more clarity on how I've done that and More recently, I think that I have hopefully always brought that nuance into the room or into the course.

But I don't know that I did it super consciously in the beginning because it is...

You know, the courses, there is an outline.

There is an organization.

Like I am, you know, in addition to being a clinician, I am an educator.

So can we talk about that a little bit more?

The cultural narrative that people are being, uh, fed is that losing weight will improve their health, which we're not gonna focus so much in this interview, but will also make them feel better about their body, will, quote-unquote, "heal their body image." What does this message assumption get wrong as a person who has this expertise in body image? Does weight loss improve body image?

You know, I think that any time there's a singular narrative, it, it can become problematic because, I mean, one of the things that I love about clinical work is that I get to be in the individual experience.

And so any time we're assuming that something will be true for everybody, it's not going to be true for a lot of people, and it may be true for some people.

Now, as you well know, and as you've talked about extensively in your work, that neurobiologically, we are wired to want acceptance.

That is built into our neurobiology.

And so it is reasonable that some people do experience weight loss and feel significantly different about themselves, feel better about themselves.

And a large part of that, not to say the, the sole determinant of this, but a large part of that is the social affirmation that comes along with that weight loss, right? And that is a true experience.

Mm