Explain that, please.

Well, we've been around a long time.

We started in 1984.

That was 41 years ago, and we're going on our 41st year.

Our first rodeo was a savings and loan crisis.

Unfortunately, I wasn't bright enough.

Although I was a PhD candidate in molecular biology, I didn't understand real estate.

Is there any such such thing or maybe you're of the mind, Marcel, that that's not necessary? If you got the space, you run it well, people will be there.

Do you think that that is the determining factor for the buildings that are best positioned to compete for demand, or is there anything else?

Well, I think there's a variety of factors.

The demand improves the fundamentals.

In other words, uh, if there's demand, you can ...

It's easier to win the leasing wars and to fill your building up.

Most of the buildings that we're buying are, uh, above-market occupancy.

In other words, about 70% occupied, maybe sometimes 55 or 60% occupied.

And to conclude our episode, what are your predictions for the office sector, both in Denver and nationally?