So, I

mean, it started back in, in South Wales.

And again, when I stand in front of student journalists, what I say to them is the best way to get the job you want is to get the experience you want.

And there are lots of opportunities today.

I talk about them setting up their own blog and podcast and, Back in the old days when I started, I joined my local hospital radio team.

And I did a bit of sport on hospital radio in South Wales.

Then I knocked on the door of Red Dragon Radio, which is the commercial radio station, like the capital FM of South Wales.

We get

opportunity.

Exactly.

But yeah, so it was Clyde Bank and St Mirren.

And we went up on the Wednesday.

I think it was the Clyde Bank game on the Wednesday and the St Mirren game on the Saturday or was I got them wrong way round and we went up there and we just went to the club shop one day because the club shop was built into Tannadice it wasn't in a separate building where it is now and you know mentioned the fact it had come up from Wales and I was interested in the club and the club secretary came down and said, do you want a tour of the trophy cabinet? Do you want to come into the boardroom? I was like, yeah, of course we do.

Yeah.

And we, we went and sat in the boardroom and looked at the trophies.

So, I

What's your thoughts?

yeah it was uh it is rather um look i was certainly in the camp that norwich were very strong contenders to get promotion from this league at the start of the season i believed in that philippe clement bandwagon and i still believe in it but i thought obviously the the early games certainly took the edge off that and certainly made you wonder if you were missing something I don't think we are.

I think Norwich are still a team to be taken on and considered seriously for promotion.

I think there were incidents, certainly in the West Brom game and arguably in the Stoke game as well, where Norwich didn't get the rub of the green.

We all know what I'm talking about, especially with the West Brom one.

And I think that affected them mentally a little bit.

But the performance I look at where I got my old mojo back about Norwich It was the Cardiff Cup game.

What do you see as Birmingham's biggest strengths and weaknesses?