How do you approach creativity and finding

investments? I mean, that's core to the model.

What we figured out early on was this idea of sitting behind a model or a desk and waiting for an investment banker to bring you an idea which just wasn't gonna work.

The other thing we figured out was when we started, whether it was 07 and IGSB or 2012 with Dragoneer, At that time, growth was kind of a four-letter word.

People were really excited about venture capital because there was these big outcomes that firms like Accel and Greylock and others had.

Or they were really excited about private equity.

And they want to work at firms like Blackstone, et cetera.

I'm curious to know what you do to basketball and pursuing team ownership.