Like how does that kind of weigh into how you guys approach things? Because it's it's the same animal, but it's a little bit different.

So it kind of depends.

So there's two different distinctions, I would say.

One instance is suitcasing, where folks will kind of latch on and be like the, whatever, rides along the shark, basically.

There's somebody with a program that is adjacent to the program.

They have this program that's adjacent to the main program.

They're not going through show management and they're there to really just like kind of pull away folks that are there and attending.

Like a couple of suggestions on cost savings or maybe just sanity savings.