N- I'm not suggesting that they don't deserve some recognition, financially or otherwise, but there's no guardrails here.

Well, Michael, respectfully here, uh, and I think this is the first point in our conversation I'm gonna say I disagree with you Uh, I was one of the expert witnesses who testified in the State of California on behalf of the Fair Pay to Play Act, uh, which ensured college athletes were allowed to endorse products for money.

Uh, the opposition to name, image, and likeness is not really in opposition to college athletes earning money, uh, based upon the revenues they generate.

Uh, it's an opposition to a deeper system of college sports, uh, which not only operates as a cartel in violation of our federal antitrust laws, uh, but moreover, uh, disavows the values under which America is founded.

Uh, our problem emerges with the system of college sports, uh, where we have somewhere between 70 and 100 colleges in the United States, uh, where their leadership has decided that they don't wanna make their primary mission being educating students.

They'd rather operate as general managers as quasi-professional sports teams.

Uh, in the mid-1980s, there was a great book written on this by, uh, Murray Sperber, who was a professor at the time at the University of Indiana, called Beer and Circus, saying it was easier to keep college students happy by giving them big-time sports to watch and beer to drink than to educate them.

Modern history now.