Would you just be able to explain like how you got into that and like what your training was?

Genuinely, that's how I was brought up.

I never got pushed, never got told to do anything.

So all the training I did was all just at my own effort.

And I used to just go hard.

I used to like going hard.

When I started, like I said, my training began from being 13, first part of my journey.

Did you work it out? It was like 17% incline or

What was the exact moment in your mind where you thought actually something's going to give and sadly it's my trade

yeah so I mean like I say I was an electrician from leaving school um did it for 16 years but like I said my passion has always been fitness um I've always trained before work after work sometimes I did a little spell where I went into the office to try and learn that side of the business um and I would take my running trainers so on the dinner break I was right near a Hay Hall where I've grown up running I would go for a run it's always been my passion and with the trade I was in obviously it was a family run business so I kind of just got thrown into it didn't really see any other opportunity or anything else that I could have done or would have done other than getting the chance to train for a living train and also coach so as soon as that opportunity arose and I literally did I did get to the point of Literally something did have to give because I had children, I had a full-time job.

I had obviously the training was obviously super important at that time because High Rocks was growing.

And I literally got to the point where I could not fit everything in the day.

And I just thought, you know what, I've got a trade.

I can always fall back on it.

Obviously the kids are the number one priority.

Did you have any financial anxiety early on?