So what would you say are some of those success factors that we can be trying to, the fertilization, if you will, the loam in the soil,

It's really that it's just a better model.

So whether we're talking sustainability, whether we're talking about regeneration, whether we're talking about environmental social governance, ESG, all of them have proven hands down not only to be a better life model, but to be a better organizational model.

If you could put up... any organization's capitalistic extractive type of a model head to head with a real sustainable business model, one that's regenerative or follows or has applied the ESGs, we're seeing not only numerous case studies, but just prime examples that those organizations weather the storms of life a lot better than those who are on this capitalistic or extractive, relying on outsourcing or not the best practices to work with other partners order to produce their products they don't have in times of pandemic need or that they don't have the resilience they don't have the ability to keep their doors open they need funding and support and bailouts but if you've changed that model not only do they outperform conventional counterparts and what we saw is the biggest proof is the beginning of the pandemic we had an economic downturn we had huge economic problems and the pandemic, and people were having to close their doors and all sorts of things, but we saw those organizations that had already applied ESG, sustainability, or the goals into their model, into their organizational core model, on the NICCI, New York Stock Exchange, NASDAQ, S&P 500, S&P Global, the Morning Star Review, in the beginning of the pandemic, and that economic downturn, 25 out of 28 sustainable index funds outperform their conventional counterparts.

Now, I'm not saying that we should turn sustainability into investment, because I'm not, but the cores of some of those models just outperform bad business.

They have more resilience and sustainability.

Now, Not only does the book from Jeffrey West's scale talk about this, but if you've ever heard of Nicholas Stern and the Stern Review or the Stern Report, literally thousands of organizations who have applied those new models into their organization have seen tremendous results, not only for people, planet, and their bottom line.

This is a great conundrum.

How do we start to get real policy-based planning for regenerative approaches to building and living more sustainably if there's such political divide over this.

That's the golden question.

So really, it's no matter what international organization you're talking about, whether it's the EU Commission, it's whether it's the United Nations, the World Economic Forum, the World Government Center, and all the governments, even China.

BRICS now and their new currency, they're having trouble unifying on a plan of action, long-term vision for the future.

There's still competition and divisiveness amongst them all.

And I am not too optimistic that besides the European Union and the ESG taxonomy, there's another group of countries creating policies and regulations for the environment and for human rights.

And that's why I mentioned the EU Commission.

But where do you think this is going to go? Where does quantum fit into the AGI question and particularly the question on consciousness itself, do you think?