No

... to even want to or need to think about it.

Maybe it's a generational thing.

Maybe it will change as more awakened, aware women start to come through the systems who want to have these kind of conversations.

I don't know.

From a practical point of view, organizations just need to ask, they need to be asking more questions, being more curious, calling out.

I mean, I'm sure you in your world, I've been in meetings where women have gone for each other in a meeting room, and everyone just sits there, and then they just carry on outside of the room.

Yeah.