And so you going in and doing this for our field is such a service because everyone thinks that we are just this, and, like, how do you think we can combat that as a field?

So i- it's interesting.

Um, I was working in a public school, and we have a PC- PhD level BCBA we consult with, and he had made a comment about, like, a plan being too negative.

So, like, really run with that.

And I was like, here's the, here's the thing.

Obviously, a- all of our plans have reinforcement, but sometimes there are, you know, punishment parts, right? Um, removal, that kind of thing.

You have to be realistic about the person implementing the plan.

The same if you're going to a family, and it's like, "Hey, you have this problem, so I'm gonna write you this beautiful behavior plan that has, like, 30 different interventions that we use," but it's still completely useless because you're trying to, like, like, you're, you're not actually adding value at that point.