So lead me through those first steps in your career

... yeah, I've never done anything else.

Uh, you, so I listen to, you know, a lot of podcasts too, and what's interesting is there are so many people who are designers who say things like, "I didn't realize that interior design was an op- was an option as a profession." Um, and I just-- I had an aunt, an, an aunt who lived in Montgomery, and she owned a little, like, gift shop that I would drive over in high school on the weekends and work for her.

And then I worked for a woman named Linda Ayers, who is an interior designer in Auburn.

And I, so I always kind of saw this, like, professional aspect of it, even though my mom, she was an art teacher, a middle school art teacher, and is an artist.

She didn't do interior design professionally.

She was always kind of helping her friends with paint colors or, like, moving art around, that kind of thing.

But did you sort of have a vision for your business? Or like what did that sort of look like?