So can you kind of unpack what creating this environment might look like in practice?

Sure.

I think a lot about this and I do think One, first, I don't have all the answers.

I don't think there's one quick fix.

I think this is really a process.

I think that's part of what holds people back.

Because sometimes by the time they're looking for help, they're like, I just need you to fix this thing.

The only constant is change, right? So when you talk about building safety and health through intentional, interpersonal, and I'm assuming structural, right? Like practices, Where, where do most organizations tend to fail first at the relational level, the systems level or the leadership mindset? What are you seeing? And like, why do you think that that's happening that way?