Burn in my ears.

But that is the thing that I really think is genius about what Spellman does.

It's the nuance.

I feel like we got all the surface levels.

This gets the nuance correctly.

So people can ask now.

They can be like, hey, Yes.

public?

But how important was it for you guys to tell the story from the actual lens of somebody who grew up in the urban community versus the watered-down version that we get on TV?

It's essential.

So it may not look like it, but this whole camp starts from the streets.

You know what I'm saying? Like...

I caught my first dope case in 87.

You know what I'm saying? I'm good now.

But I'm saying...

If that was his

But how important was it for you guys to tell the story from the actual lens of somebody who grew up in the urban community versus the watered-down version that we get on TV?

It's essential.

So it may not look like it, but this whole camp starts from the streets.

You know what I'm saying? Yep.

I caught my first dope case in 87.

You know what I'm saying? I'm good now.

But I'm saying...

If that was his

Two years.

So what we've seen in America back then doesn't seem believable now.

As America got more corporate, and I'ma say softer in a good way, and you combine individualism instead of collectivism with what Glasses is saying, which is things are a little bit easier now.

That don't mean all these young [beep] ain't the toughest [beep] in the world.

They can be as tough as they wanna be.

The circumstances aren't there.

In America, I think the circumstances and the Black identity became much more individualized, and you people find it hard to believe we would sacrifice for us.

Mm-hmm.

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Like, all this stuff is a part.

But from the creative mind, why were these certain casting choices made? It's interesting, man,

like the the most of the time what we were looking for was for somebody to walk into the room.

and do something that made us say, I didn't know that's who that character was until they spoke.

The best example would be Buddy, right? We were struggling because I know, I just felt determined for this show to only have real West Coast rappers.

who was respected also, you can say what you want.

We did a cat, you know, we got a lot of cats, very brilliant dudes from LA who we talked to that leap from acting to, I mean, from rapping to acting is not organic for a lot of people.

And so once we started to find people who either a, like the actors, I just feel like the cast carries us.

Those specific songs, scene choices, like why were those made?

Yeah.

Yeah.But these motherfuckers be telling stories with, like, what's at the table- Mm-hmm ... and what you're wearing and what the lighting is, and that's the ...

When you be like, "Why is it that some shit just be great?" It's 'cause all that shit is coming together for the same global story, and that's rare.

But, and you feel it, you know what I'm saying? And them pe- with, like, The Wire is everything coming together.

Mm-hmm.

Everything.

You know, ev- like, I mean, even the OGs they got from the neighborhood and shit.

Sure.