What was your childhood like? I mean, you literally came from nowhere.

As a rural boy, you know, to be honest with you, it's one of the things that we never take things seriously.

We enjoy the game of cricket because that was us.

Whatever that you get given, a cricket ball or you get given a football, you kick it and you run around.

But the only time that it...

It made sense to me when I started playing for the province.

And then everybody now saying, listen, you can make a living out of cricket.

Who did you enjoy having your battles with the most? Opposition players?

How did you go as a 14-year-old rolling in that didn't speak the language and trying to make it work with a bunch of different kids?

You know, it's one of the things that I always say to my own children.

I say, listen, you know, when I look at you guys, where now you're actually from, great, not, not, you're already on the English schools.

You know, at the age of 14, where Greg Hayes, I would say, identified, you know, a group of us as black cricketers that, They think that they have the talent.

They think that they have the potential that they can play the game of cricket and then become, you know, the heroes of the youngsters.

So I was one of those ones, you know, that were lucky that were picked up from the rural areas and been sent to the white school.

Yes, it was a difficult time for us.

He's injured at the moment, isn't he? But are you confident that things are looking good for the national team?